The Theology of TimeSunday, October 15, 1972Tape span 00:30:01 to 01:10:19

Other than the truth

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad calls a sister to the rostrum to read teachings circulating in his name. She reads. He stops her, again and again, and answers each one in front of the hall.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

At the rostrum, centre column.

The Sister

The secretary he calls to the rostrum. Her readings arrive as duplicated sheets; she is reading material under challenge.

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Source and editorial notes
Source: The Theology of Time 10⧸15⧸1972 | The Honorable Elijah Muhammad [P4-vtnwubrw].mp3.txt
Full extracted span: 00:30:01,255–01:10:19,513.
The sister is called forward at 00:40:43,983, first speaks at 00:41:38,683,
and begins reading the titled material at 00:42:22,223.
The last extended reading ends at 01:00:47,905. His response and the closing
exchange follow. At 01:10:19,513 he turns to doing something for self.

EDITORIAL NOTES (added for this extraction)
All transcript blocks below retain their original wording, spelling, punctuation,
timestamps, speaker numbers, and line breaks. Apparent transcription errors have
not been corrected. Only section headings and explanatory role labels are added.
The headings summarize topics; they are not titles verified from the writings.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad.
The sister/secretary reading and commenting. Her personal name is
not established in this exchange. Her readings are material being challenged,
not teachings endorsed by Elijah Muhammad or necessarily by the reader herself.
At 01:07:09,023: probably the same sister, inferred from context.
Closing-exchange voices: uncertain. Some closing questions may be the sister; other turns are
responses or audience interjections. No uniform identity is assigned to these voices.
All other voices: audience/other voices, inferred from their interjections.
These role assignments are based on the transcript, not checked against audio.

The sister’s blocks sometimes mix reading with her own comments, corrections,
or words addressed to Elijah Muhammad. The 00:42:22,223 block includes apparent
asides such as “Well, if they're teaching this...” and “It should be the other
way around.” The 00:46:53,053 block introduces what the writers attribute to him.
The 00:49:52,027 block includes her comment about reading spellings as written.
Exact boundaries within these blocks are not reliably marked in the source,
so they are preserved intact rather than presented as pure quotations of a document.

He explicitly stops the reading and says more pages remain. This extraction
contains the complete discussion in this lecture, not the full underlying writings.

Scroll to follow the reel. J and K step between speakers; Space plays and pauses, and ← → skip 10 seconds.

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1. INTRODUCTORY REMARKS — correcting teachings attributed to him

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

So brothers and sisters, we are here this afternoon to correct you of some of your mistakes, and to declare you innocent of those mistakes.

And some of those mistakes that we are here to correct you on, you are guilty.

And we want to correct you in the public so that the public won't think that we are giving you these mistakes ourselves and backing you up here.I don't back you up in to other than the truth.

I don't care what you say could be on me.

Don't call me, "Mr. Muhammad, you're our god.

You are Master Fard Muhammad." Don't tell me that.

Master Fard Muhammad is the one that I am representing.

I am the man that just wants to take my own place.

And leave the place that I don't belong in-

... for the man that belongs there.

I have heard that you are putting your place, not you physical, some of you.

So-called believers, I have to call you that-

... are putting your place in somebody else's place-

... and making you somebody else.

And what you are making is other than the truth.

We want our people to be reconverted.

Out of other than the truth into truth.

We don't want to add nothing to the truth-

... because that will make it other than the truth.

So we're going to make now a habit of exposing you before those that you told other than the truth to.

So let those who are seeking the truth...

Pardon me, it sounds like I said, "[unclear],"

who are seeking the truth, that they know that you was not telling them the truth.

I don't back you up in telling other than the truth.

So, not only do I not back you up in telling and you're telling other than the truth, I'm going to force those who are seeking the truth to not to back you up in it.

[unclear].

Because I'm going to tell them the truth.

And if you tell them other than the truth, I'm going to tell them-

... that you told other than the truth.

Right before their face, like you told them other than the truth to their face.

I'm going to tell them the truth-

... to their face.

I am not here to preach lies.

I am here to preach the truth.

You have lived under falsehood all your life.

The truth has come.

And falsehood must end.

We were born under falsehood.

We love falsehood-

... rather than truth.

As the Bible puts it, that's being born under darkness.

We love darkness-

... rather than light.

So when light came, we fled back looking for darkness.

We want to correct you.

You have many things, discourse putting out to the people as though I teach you that.

So that you will get your other than the truth perception.

Brothers and sisters, I do not teach this people other than the truth.

What I teach is truth.

I'm not here to add nothing to the truth.

I'm not here to try to make you think that I'm something that I am not.

If you think that I'm trying to make you see me in the light of something I'm not in, get your book and come on, and I will get my book.

And I will prove to you-

... that I don't go beyond the scope of mine on or rather mission that Allah has given to me.

If I say anything beyond what I have been missioned to do that you can't find me backed up in it in the scripture of truth, come to me.

I'll pay you $100 for every one... Oh, no, that's not enough.

Give you 10... $1,000 then for every story.... that I tell you other than the truth-

... of my mission and of my way.

If you find anything that I'm doing that you can prove that it is even other than righteous, I will give you $10,000.

If you cannot locate the answer in the scripture-

... of truth.

There never was a false prophet sent to the people in the past.

And this is not one standing before you.

Some of the things that I do, you may label as being other than right.

But that, that's just because you have not read the scriptures.

You have learned what the last man should look like, what he should do, and how that the book teaches you he is a full fellow, and you don't take time to read what a full fellow is.

When a man is brought to you and he is [unclear] by another one, he fulfills Jonah, uh, scripture.

Well, then you've got to go read Jonah and learn what Jonah did-

... to see whether or not this man fulfill, filled his word.

Fulfill means to do the same work that that man did.

Then that man that you are talking to or present before you is fulfilling, but if you don't see Jonah's works in this man's works, then he don't fulfill Jonah's work.

Fulfill means to do what another one does.

So be careful about how you label people-

... to be something that they're not.

I want you to know that I don't condone falsehood.

And if you want to do so, you are, are not following me.

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2. SETUP — people making up texts; the sister is called forward

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

You're following yourself.

(coughs) I have some brother that is just going out and making up texts of their own and delivering them for you to believe.

I'm going to teach you the history of Jesus that Allah give to me.

But, please, don't you try and teach it un- less you're going to teach the truth.

Some of you is just going wild, telling everything of what you think.

We don't want what you think.

We want what God has taught us.

Want His thinking and not yours.

Uh, the sister over here... Where is she? Come up here, s- secretary, and let her share some of this, uh, teaching that is going on so I can straighten it out. I want these people to know the truth.

I don't want them to come here and listen that other than the truth out there from the mouth of some of you who call yourself representing Islam.

I don't want you to listen to no other than the truth. And I want to know the other than the truth that you are hearing so that I can stop that man's mouth.

He won't be back here for a minute.

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3. SISTER’S INTRODUCTION

The Sister

Salaam alaikum.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

Walaikum salaam.

The Sister

In the name of Allah, the all-wise, true and living God, to whom we forever give praise and thanks, for our beloved leader and teacher, the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad.

Dear apostles, brothers and sisters, and to our visiting guests, there are some old Muslims telling other than the truth, and the messenger gave me the privilege to tell you all that there are quite a few new ones coming into the Nation of Islam, and we don't want you to think that we are behind such other than the truth.

And with the messenger's permission, I'm going to read you some of this that they are circulating.

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4. READING AND RESPONSE — “Fard,” word meanings, and silk

The Sister

Circulating text, read aloud · may include her own remarks

Supreme Wisdom, Seventh-Year Teachings, Minister Awakenings. Well, if they're teaching this, they're going to be putting the people back to sleep. Wisdom of 60 Degrees, Master Fard Muhammad and its Meaning and Thematical Breakdown. Note... This is what they have on here. "These teachings are only for the learned and not the profane." It should be the other way around.It is taught in supreme wisdom as well as the fundamentals of supreme wisdom, in the seventh year advanced study, that Master Fard Muhammad came from a faraway land, the holy city of Mecca, in the east to the shores of North America as a merchant and peddler of silk. The faraway land represents the unknown. The word faraway does mean unknown. Faraway means the unknown, and its root is the same as the word Fard. The word Fard, which is the same as the word Fardi of the Arabic. Master Fard Muhammad was a traveling merchant. This comes from the word Farnet, which means travelers, and the word Far, and man, which means a wayfarer or traveling peddler or merchant. The word Farnet itself means a traveler. The selling of the silk stems from the word Faran Dean or Faran, which is the fabric of silk. His goal is separation of the four originals, brown, yellow, red, black, from the white race. Negative force-

Stopped

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

Just a minute.

Now, I never taught nothing like that.

This is made teachings by the- the one who is teaching.

He made it up himself.

And he desired to make it up himself because that he wanted to have something odd in the teaching that you may look upon him as some great author of that which you have never heard.

Read, sister.

Read, sister.

The Sister

Circulating text, read aloud · may include her own remarks

The an- Yes, sir. The answer lies in the actual meaning of the word Faradi itself. Faradi is a dark brown date grown in Arabia and California. This plant, which represents the American so-called Negro, who was taken from Arabia and placed in California. And now they-

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The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

Just a minute, sister. This is not the meanings of Fard, and if there is a Muslim here that knows what Fard means, he can stand and tell you.

And if there's not one, other than myself, I can tell you what it means. It don't mean no such thing.

Fard is a name that is known by the scientists to be an attribute that is not placed among the 99.

It means that which is the beginning, that which is opening.

This is the first. This is the name of our prayer.

The first, and that, uh, people going out trying to interpt these Arab words to you according to what they think. You shouldn't listen to them until you write 'em down and send them to me.

And I will get the understanding.

If I don't get it out of the Quran, there's other books of the Arabic language which interprets their language, their names.

It's there, we can get it, but don't you try and use your own explanation of it.

Read on.

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5. READING AND RESPONSE — California

The Sister

Circulating text, read aloud · may include her own remarks

Then they

Apostle, they go on and quote you. They say the messenger says that California is the devil's last stronghold. The state of California represents white America being the golden state, blonde hair, and the root of the word California, which means white. The word Cali means white.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

I don't teach you that California is the devil's stronghold.

I don't teach you that.

The whole USA is the devil's stronghold.

Keep telling.

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6. READING AND RESPONSE — substance, reflector, and vacuum

The Sister

Circulating text, read aloud · may include her own remarks

Master Fard Muhammad represents substance, physical matter, the reflector, that which is incomplete, invisible, transparent, white, crystal, parenthesis Christ, but Christ represents the his, Master Fard Muhammad, being the reflector, reflects the vacuum unto man, Black man. The vacuum is the so-called Negro being in a state of mental stagnation-

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The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

Just a minute. I want to say to you who is listening to all of this, it's no teachings of mine.

This is a made teachings by someone that, uh, they should stand up and- and tell me how that they become interpreters in their names and teachings in that way that they are done.

If such one is here doing, if the author of such stand now and explain to me.

I was with Him for near three and a half years, day and night-

... and that's that He taught me, I'm here to bear witness.

And I've been bearing witness and I've been representing it to you-

... for 42 years.

And I don't think I should make that awful mistake of what He went over with me day and night.

Read on.

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7. READING AND RESPONSE — “fifth year teaching,” conferences, and Mars

The Sister

Circulating text, read aloud · may include her own remarks

This is called Supreme Wisdom fifth year teaching. The birth of the savior, Master Wallace D. Muhammad.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

No. The supreme wisdom that I teach you is what Allah has taught me.

That wisdom, I call the supreme wisdom, which is the supreme wisdom.

Read on.

The Sister

Circulating text, read aloud · may include her own remarks

In the year 1852, Black diplomats of the Nation of Islam met in the holy city of Mecca in Saudi Arabia to discuss with the 12 minor wise scientists, they had been summoned, the crucial world problem between the Black nations of the Earth and the White races. The conference consisted of statements concerning the rapid technological and scientific advancements that had progressed within the White civilization. The other important attachment that the general conference discussed was how and in what way did all these advancements affect the Black nations and the planet. The cities of Asia which were represented were Kuball, which is located in Afghanistan, Karh in Pakistan, Baghdad in Iraq, Ankara in Turkey, Caerio... Excuse me, I'm pronouncing it exactly the way they have it spelled here. Caerio in Egypt, Lashio in Burma, and the country with the most delegates, Peking, China. The next country-

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The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

Now...

Go ahead.

The Sister

Circulating text, read aloud · may include her own remarks

The next country, India, also had a large body that was represented, which were from the city of New Delhi.

During the same year, there was also a large conference meeting which w- which, excuse me, which was being held on the inhabited planet of Mars.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

(laughs)

It was held on Mars.

What a lie.

I wish you'd stand up so I could send you out right now.

This is what gets the people wrong-

... in their understanding of us.

There stands a liar on this point, there stand a truth one on that point.

We don't know which one to believe.

Just saying whatever comes up. All you know you want to tell something different from what you have heard.

I don't want that kind of man following me, nor woman.

Don't add to what you hear me say.

Nor take from what you hear me say.

It is the truth that I have received.

When you go and add and take from, you're making it other than the truth.

So I want to tell new people to stop listen at any such talk or teaching-

... that is not in the same words that I'm teaching them.

And I'd rather for all of 'em to come here.

And then if they find me telling other than the truth, then the whole teaching is other than the truth.

I'm mixing it up.

But, brother, you won't find me telling you other than the truth.

Not nothing I say.

If you think I'm telling you other than the truth, go and explain it to me what you think is other than the truth, and I will give you $10,000, or a check for $10,000 before you leave here.

Yes. And if that is not enough, I'll make it 10,000 times 10,000.

My greatest desire is to tell you the truth.

Because the liar lied to us and we can't leave that liar with his lie.

We have to have truth to go from him.

And anything that I said, you always is welcome to question me on it.

I don't run from you just because you want to question me for I should say nothing.

That's what I'm here for-

... for you to question me-

... on the knowledge of the truth that I say I am teaching.

You are all set free by God Himself who taught me, to ask Him questions-

... learn all about yourself.I'm equipped with the truth from Almighty God, Allah.

Some of it you may not understand.

But don't try to condemn that which you don't understand yourself.

Don't you fancy out nothing. Just old plain truth.

Pass them up.

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8. READING AND RESPONSE — birth, doctors, and planetary claims

The Sister

Circulating text, read aloud · may include her own remarks

All nature recognized the birth of Muhammad, even the elements within nature. There were five wise doctors who delivered the infant, because specialized care had to be taken, whereas not at any time should the child's head interfere or touch the walls of his mother's uterus.

It is taught that hardly an ounce of blood prevailed in the delivery of the child. The place of the birth was took place in a special located within a building, which was located in the holy city Mecca. This special chamber was constructed in perpendicular of the Earth's axis, and in direct tangent of the Earth's magnetic force field, being that Mecca is located at the center of the Earth's magnetic core. Because during the time of birth, the magnetic gravitational pull field between all the planets in the universe had positioned and centered in conjunction to one another's cores beyond the degree of 99 and 9000

of-

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The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

Th- this is why so many of us get, uh, misunderstood.

I never taught nothing like that.

This is a makeup of that person teaching you something that he was not taught-

... other than the truth he's carrying out to people who was born out of these [unclear] of truth, born under the chief liar, the devil.

And he taught them how to lie.

And he came out after he hear the truth, following the devil-

... teaching you other than the truth himself.

These people I want you to run down.

Bring them before me so I can put them out-

... of our circle.

They're doing no good for theirself nor you.

These are the liars-

... who goes out after hearing the truth and add to it-

... take from to make it sound different-

... or make you think that he's wiser than the God Himself.

He has been telling other than the truth.

This is what I want you who are visiting us, get out, and you gets a hold to it, and you can't understand it and you walks away from it.

For the next 19 or 20 weeks that I have-

... been visiting you here at this house, I want to straighten out these kind of other-than-the-truth teachings.

That you may know the truth-

... from myself-

... who received it directly from the mouth of God.

And as I said, I'm willing to pay with my life for lying to you if you find me lying.

Nope, I'm not going to lie.

No, sir.

I am gonna tell you the truth.

If not, wouldn't one of you come here to listen then?

I won't add a lie if you're to make a house full of people-

... to listen to other than the truth.

I am going to teach you the truth.

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9. READING AND RESPONSE — cap, chamber, operation, and glow

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

Do you have any more? Huh?

The Sister

Circulating text, read aloud · may include her own remarks

Yes, sir.

This cap was made... Pardon me. After the child had been born, the doctors placed a metallic-like cap over his head. This cap was made of a special cloth which had, was then treated with certain fluids and then woven with a highly special metal, silk, which was sewn as threads. This metal was weaved into the cloth of the cap. The child was then wrapped with special cloth which had been treated in certain oil. He was then placed into a special small room chamber which had been constructed with the original, where the oxygen content was totally different from that on the outside. The child remained in this chamber for a period of 27 days, and then was taken to the surgeon who performed an advanced operation upon the center located in the spine, which took exactly 76 hours, no more, no less. It is taught in the Birth and Science of the Savior seventh-year minister's lesson that after this particular operation had been completed that the child's body started to produce a yellowish white glow all around his entirety.

It is taught that this glow lasted for 12 days, whereby-

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The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

Now, a man that can lie that well...

...

he ought to be made to wait-... until the last believer walks in the gate of heaven.

And then throw him in the middle of Hell.

I come to a place like this and you mislead me?

Telling other than the truth of what the messenger has taught?

Why, brother, I don't care to walk with you in the gate.

What do you think I am? A liar?

Try and prove it.

I'm here directly from the face of God as is written.

I didn't came on my own.

I was risen up in the midst of you and sent to teach you the truth.

And no man on earth could teach you what I'm teaching you-

... if it was not the truth.

Why do you add to it? Why are you throwing other than the truth into?

You don't do that to be seen and heard, because people will listen at you, they will tell it, and then you will be brought before me one day.

And I have power with God to put you to a finishing touch.

I'm suddenly very dissatisfied-

... of you rising up, taking hold of the truth-

... and trying to preach to the people as other than the truth-

... from yourself.

We may not like you after a while.

And I ask you to stop before we dislike you.

"We," I mean God Himself.

You are doing the wrong thing.

We are here to kill the liar.

Destroy him who has destroyed the people of righteous-

... and telling them and misleading them in a way of other than the truth.

This is a good way to learn who your brother is.

Just make up whole lies and go tell it to the people.

Make them to think I'm teaching you that.

Because it's me that you are coming to.

I'm not teaching the people other than the truth.

It is you who are taking and visiting the truth apart and adding to the parts your own lie over it.

You won't get away with it.

I'm more excited at that little fellow that they call a lamb in the Bible.

Bound to get you for it.

Why will you come here? To get something to go and tell other than the truth only.

Get truth now, and then add other than the truth to it.

You shouldn't come here.

This is the wrong place.

This is where you come to learn the truth.

And I just hire you to prove what I teach here other than the truth.

I do that every time I get on this stand.

I want people that love the truth.

I want people that love the result of truth-

... and not the result of a liar.

I can prove everything I teach to you.

Everything.

I'll prove to you that, that it is the truth.

Not only that, everything I do I can prove that it's the truth.

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10. CLOSING EXCHANGE — remaining pages and postponement

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

All right.

No more? All right.

The Sister

There's quite a bit more, dear Apostle. Did you want to hear any more?

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

Come here, you show me.

Come here and show me... some of it.

[unclear].

The Sister

You mean, right here?

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

You've had that much already?

The Sister

Yeah.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

My goodness, Lord.

You even got Vietnam now.

The Sister

Yes, sir.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

Man, that's some professional writer here [unclear].

Oh, Lord.

The Sister

You want any more?

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

Hmm?

The Sister

You want any more, Brother?

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

No. We, uh, we... have some for next time.

The Sister

Yes, sir.

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11. CONCLUDING REMARKS — why he had the material read

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

I'm going to stop this sister secretary from reading off this, uh, other than the truth [unclear] looking there, seems you have two or three more pages, and that, uh, some of it even goes into politics.

So I'm going to leave it go-

... till next time when I don't have too much of business to take up with you.

Then I'll let this go in again. We will have some more of this next Sunday.

We wanna get rid of this.

We believe that we have very intelligent people visiting us-

... at this time, and we want them to listen at something of truth and something of business that we should be doing.

And not to be listening to a lot of little [unclear] brothers who don't know what they're talking about.

And they're just opening their mouth, saying what they think.

That's why I had this much read out to them. I want them to know that I'm not down here taking up no such foolishness.

And I don't teach it.

This is just a foolish brother-

... or a sister that is taking the teaching, trying to make himself look wise.

And making himself look like a fool.

I don't condone in nothing of the kind.

The truth alone is sufficient-

... to make you to admire it or you can disbelieve it and leave.

01 · INTRODUCTORY REMARKS — correcting teachings attributed to him02 · SETUP — people making up texts; the sister is called forward03 · SISTER’S INTRODUCTION04 · READING AND RESPONSE — “Fard,” word meanings, and silk05 · READING AND RESPONSE — California06 · READING AND RESPONSE — substance, reflector, and vacuum07 · READING AND RESPONSE — “fifth year teaching,” conferences, and Mars08 · READING AND RESPONSE — birth, doctors, and planetary claims09 · READING AND RESPONSE — cap, chamber, operation, and glow10 · CLOSING EXCHANGE — remaining pages and postponement11 · CONCLUDING REMARKS — why he had the material read
01Introductory remarks